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« on: August 19, 2005, 05:57:13 PM »

Since no one has started anything here... i thought i would like to be the first to start posting something in real estate.  \Cheesy/

oppurtunity for those interested....  O:)

two unit of 'my place' apartment is up on sales. very very rare. if any of u r not sure... it's in ss15 subang jaya just in front of tailor's and inti college. very good rental yield, about 8% per year.

price of sales is at 270k current rent is 2k. (one is currently tenanted, the other is empty)

check it out. it was on the star classified a few days ago... not too sure about today.

sigh... i wanted it myself but i have overstretch my loan allocation Sad
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2005, 09:34:49 PM »

Thank for beginning this forum. Using Rich Dad’s concept on property investment, we are looking on positive cash flow opportunity. We must make money when we buy it, not when we sell it.

This property bring in positive cash flow, but I set my standard to search for ROE > 24%.

Cost : 270,000
Down Payment : 41,000 (15%)
Principle : 229,000 (loan amount)
Interest Rate : 6.5% (assume fix)
Number of Installment : 300 (25 years)
Monthly Payment : 1546
Rental : 2000
Cash Flow : 2000 – 1546 = 454
ROE : (454 x 12)/41000 = 13%

Not bad on ROE number and at the same time enjoy appreciation of property value if economy getting better.

Risk consideration, will the rental fix at 2k per month with less possibility to decline? The location secure with tenant? Interest rate 6.5% fix is just assumption, please get the real number from bank.

Anybody have property that enjoy ROE > 24% please contact me.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2005, 11:46:18 AM »

Lim,
Not intending to be rude, but you must be very pessimistic about the property market going forward.
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2005, 01:41:58 PM »

I am new in property terms and hope to learn from experienced investors through this forum. I have some theories but lack practical experience. I believe it is very hard to detect opportunity with ROE > 24% here but I believe it can be done through good negotiation with motivated seller. I have a friend who is financial freedom from real estate investment. He learned the skill from Robert Allen.

If property with ROE below 24% annually, I better bet into stock market. My study on bluechips for 4 years using my trading system with return ranging from 20% - 40% annual compounding. Trade using weekly chart on solid fundamental stocks.

Anyway, this study needs practical to prove the result and we need discipline to execute our plan. Frankly speaking, I still need advise from greatest investors (real estate or stock) here to share us your experience.
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2005, 03:47:43 AM »

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I am new in property terms and hope to learn from experienced investors through this forum. I have some theories but lack practical experience. I believe it is very hard to detect opportunity with ROE > 24% here but I believe it can be done through good negotiation with motivated seller. I have a friend who is financial freedom from real estate investment. He learned the skill from Robert Allen.

If property with ROE below 24% annually, I better bet into stock market. My study on bluechips for 4 years using my trading system with return ranging from 20% - 40% annual compounding. Trade using weekly chart on solid fundamental stocks.

Anyway, this study needs practical to prove the result and we need discipline to execute our plan. Frankly speaking, I still need help from greatest investors (real estate or stock) here to share us your experience.

well bizfun, in my opinion real estate can also be a great way to make money.... my mistake  :oops: it right word is increase our net worth. if you want to make money... trade the market.  :p

but real estate should be for everyone. (without getting to technical in the real estate business). u see, while all these calculations are great, the main important part of real estate investing is the equity built up and of course, a possesion of a hard asset in our personal financial portfolio. whether the outlook of the property is great or low, it is still good to own a few property. (obviously in good location not like bukit beruntung or rawang or kampung unknown)

in order to be financially free; firstly, we need to own about 1.7mil worth of properties in order to attain a cash flow of 10000 per month  shocked  (going on the current rental yield of 7%) that is provided we do not take any loan. obviously, our cash flow would reduce if we begin to leverage with financial institution. but how many people you know live on property income alone?

even the so call 'king and queen' of property in malaysia azizi ali and renesial leong have their own business. on top of that, azizi ali is a professional pilot!  Cool

so it's great that you put up a forum on real estate in your trading forum. because i believe that real estate should be for everyone even you and me.

what u going to do if you make loads of money from the stock? buy property
what if u had a windfall in a lottery? buy property
what if u got a very big fat bonus? buy property

but keep u day time job.... Cheesy it helps to pay the installment if the property is not rented out... hehehe
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2006, 02:23:13 AM »

I am a new member which joined in yesterday, not sound in english and hope you can understand what i mean. I have  2 1/2 storey terrace house in Bkt Tambun, just one minute from the Tambun toll, announced by PM's want to build the 2nd Penang Bridge which linked to Batu Kawan & Bkt Tambun recently. I was told by sales staff that surrounding have had bank, market, famous seafood, golf course recreation centre, international sports centre, school, hospital, bomba & etc...

I brought it with cost RM228,000.00 less discount Rm16,000.00 (ie. =RM212,000.00) with built up areas 2035sf. Until now i only paid up RM29,100.00 + RM300.00 S&P agreement. I heard from sales staff said the market value already up to RM228,000.00 that means if i sell now i can get it back RM16,000.00 of profit which are 50+% in  just two mth time. If i hold it till OC obtain, i may get extra interest rate cost, legal fee plus penalty if i sell it between 5 yrs. What is your advises to me? 1)to sell it or 2)to hold it till OC obtain.

Your advise are most welcome & valueable. Thanks in advance for helping me.
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2006, 11:41:02 PM »

Hi Chan9,

Firstly, OC means certification of completion or certification of fitness? Secondly, when u said u paid 29100 + 300 rm 29100 is your downpayment? and 300 is the s&p fee? Have you secure a loan yet? Have u signed any laon agreement or loan draft agreement?

Let me know then maybe I will be able to advice u whether to hold or to sell...
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2006, 09:52:13 AM »

I always support property investment idea, anything can provide 8% return a year, just take it.

I invest in a lot of things, incl. gambling , like KLFIfutures., property still the best. without knowing, I m already a multimillionaire when i was 33 years old.  i started property investment in 23.

Tell you what, even a lot of people have enough return from property, they still continue working, reason is... rental income is too easy, nothing to challenge, ""u only challenges the tenant not to pay u ""


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but real estate should be for everyone. (without getting to technical in the real estate business). u see, while all these calculations are great, the main important part of real estate investing is the equity built up and of course, a possesion of a hard asset in our personal financial portfolio. whether the outlook of the property is great or low, it is still good to own a few property. (obviously in good location not like bukit beruntung or rawang or kampung unknown)

in order to be financially free; firstly, we need to own about 1.7mil worth of properties in order to attain a cash flow of 10000 per month  shocked  (going on the current rental yield of 7%) that is provided we do not take any loan. obviously, our cash flow would reduce if we begin to leverage with financial institution. but how many people you know live on property income alone?

even the so call 'king and queen' of property in malaysia azizi ali and renesial leong have their own business. on top of that, azizi ali is a professional pilot!  Cool

so it's great that you put up a forum on real estate in your trading forum. because i believe that real estate should be for everyone even you and me.

what u going to do if you make loads of money from the stock? buy property
what if u had a windfall in a lottery? buy property
what if u got a very big fat bonus? buy property

but keep u day time job.... Cheesy it helps to pay the installment if the property is not rented out... hehehe[/quote]
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2006, 01:10:29 PM »

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I am a new member which joined in yesterday, not sound in english and hope you can understand what i mean. I have  2 1/2 storey terrace house in Bkt Tambun, just one minute from the Tambun toll, announced by PM's want to build the 2nd Penang Bridge which linked to Batu Kawan & Bkt Tambun recently. I was told by sales staff that surrounding have had bank, market, famous seafood, golf course recreation centre, international sports centre, school, hospital, bomba & etc...

I brought it with cost RM228,000.00 less discount Rm16,000.00 (ie. =RM212,000.00) with built up areas 2035sf. Until now i only paid up RM29,100.00 + RM300.00 S&P agreement. I heard from sales staff said the market value already up to RM228,000.00 that means if i sell now i can get it back RM16,000.00 of profit which are 50+% in  just two mth time. If i hold it till OC obtain, i may get extra interest rate cost, legal fee plus penalty if i sell it between 5 yrs. What is your advises to me? 1)to sell it or 2)to hold it till OC obtain.

Your advise are most welcome & valueable. Thanks in advance for helping me.


Hi, Chan9,
To sell or to hold depend on the following factors,
1.just like in stock whatever methods of price projection u used to forcast price targets( that isRM16000), the reality is any buyers .the only chance u can sell lower than developer's price,if buyer willing.
2.Seberang perai tengah is not like penang island,land scarce .Price height is not going very far.
3.In daily paper you see the majority of auction properties took place in the mainland.
4. you have to calculate nos of years of holding cost.
5. if u used as residential then u are hedging against inflation.  
6. How much u can rent out.

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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2006, 07:07:29 PM »

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Hi Chan9,

Firstly, OC means certification of completion or certification of fitness? Secondly, when u said u paid 29100 + 300 rm 29100 is your downpayment? and 300 is the s&p fee? Have you secure a loan yet? Have u signed any laon agreement or loan draft agreement?

Let me know then maybe I will be able to advice u whether to hold or to sell...



Sorry for given wrong information, the RM29,100 should be changed to RM29,600. Sorry for giving you 'blur blur'. Yes, 'OC' what's i mean is certification of completion. RM29,600.00 is 20% of progressive payt (ie RM45,600.00 less discount of RM16,000.00) and RM300 is the s&p fee. I still not sign any loan agreement yet. Thank you.
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2006, 11:37:14 AM »

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Sorry for given wrong information, the RM29,100 should be changed to RM29,600. Sorry for giving you 'blur blur'. Yes, 'OC' what's i mean is certification of completion. RM29,600.00 is 20% of progressive payt (ie RM45,600.00 less discount of RM16,000.00) and RM300 is the s&p fee. I still not sign any loan agreement yet. Thank you.


phew.... ok here goes....

while andylim brought a few good points to ponder on. i will try to elaborate somemore.

if u want to sell,
property is not like stocks in a way of liqudating it. if ur idea of property investment is to make a quick deal by making a 16k profit then go ahead. to liqudate a property is not as fast as stocks. remember that. if u already have a buyer in hand and want to let it go, then go a head but u must see a few things.

firstly, since u did not have a loan agreement signed, then u r already have one less headache. if u have a buyer, then u don't need to pay agent fee/advertising fee means what u make is minus any fee. ensure that u get the new buyer to agree to the s&p price to be the same as the s&p price that u bought.

for example, u signed the s&p price with the developer to be 212k so ensure that u signed the s&p price with the new buyer to be 212k also. but this does not mean that u r sellin at 212k. sell it at the market price 228k but agree with the new buyer that u want the s&p price to be 212k. (many more technical explanation why and how and if the buyer agrees which i will answer if u ask Smiley but i will not elaborate here )

anyhow reason is that, u bought this less than one year and u want to sell it. so government or (inland revenue board) will get from u 30% of the 16k. trust me... u can't get away with it. it will come after u 3 to 5 years down the road. unless u want to migrate to another country then u can ignore this. but if u r not, then trust me once again... they will come for the 30%. they have a copy of all the agreement blah blah blah documents.... u can't run away.... i myself was surprise to see all my property transaction documents in income tax MY FILE!  shocked no kid u!

if u s&p price to the new buyer is the same as the s&p price with u and the developer than u should not worry about this issue.

well... now if u don't have a buyer in hand, then.... be prepared to pay 2% (rm4560) of the sales price or advertising fee if u r not sellin this through agent.

ok... if u ask me what u should do. keep ur property....  and don't go through all the issues of sellin a property. unless u really need the money. and unless u have nothing else better to do then to go through the procedure to sell a property. it's not hard... it's just long and small irritating issues sometimes pop up here and there... (base on my experience that is)

it's not as easy as stock where u can buy and sell as fast as u want. the fastest property transaction i know of is 3 months and that is because the transaction is in cash! if the buyer needs a loan.. then be prepared to wait for at least 5 months.

keep it! since u already hav ur cf... rent it out as soon as possible. don't worry about the rental income. an income is better than no income. but of course choose ur tenant carefully. no tenant is better than bad tenants (who just don't take care of ur place)

if u take a loan, ur rental can help u easy the interest burden while u 'force save' ur money by payin back the principle. and also don't forget.... landed property have better capital appreciation. the weather the storm durin the new bridge construction (tat is if it's happenin... just keep an ear out for it) Smiley

ok... i believe i have replied while not complete but it should be enough to start u thinkin if u want to sell or to keep.

if u need any other opinion... feel free to ask... Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2006, 01:00:19 AM »

Wow!!! It's so greats! First of all it come from my deeply heart to thanks AndyLim and Equilec. Thanks for given time to answer my doubts, especially Equilec. Your advises seem to clear all my doubts steps by steps.....like an uncleared mind but now can see the destination very clear. Thanks again!!!  sad{|=



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