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« on: January 11, 2006, 10:26:08 PM »

Have any of you heard of Alligator (3 trendlines)? I like to know more about it. :-s
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2006, 11:20:40 AM »

Yes, from Bill William profitunity trading method. It use software Investor Dream and the alligators use to identify trendiness. You can read his book "New Trading Dimension" for more details.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2006, 11:18:02 PM »

Quote from: trends
Have any of you heard of Alligator (3 trendlines)? I like to know more about it. :-s



Trends,
          Thank for your post, u let me learn something new, after check out the internet
For the alligator, I think may be I can use this buaya to modified some of my system, or my indicator to make it
more effective or profitable.
Below are the formulas I get it from internet is for your reference will it help ?

Chaos Green BL

{Alligator Green Balance Line - Lip}
{5 bar smoothed average offset 3 bars}
Ref(Wilders(MP(),5),-3);

 

Chaos Blue BL

{Alligator Blue Balance Line - Jaw}
{13 bar smoothed average offset 8 bars}
Ref(Wilders(MP(),13),-8);

 
 

Alligator Trading System

Enter Long:

Cross(C,Fml("Chaos Green BL")) AND
Fml("Chaos Green BL") > Fml("Chaos Blue BL")


Close Long:

Cross(Fml("Chaos Green BL"),C) AND
Fml("Chaos Blue BL") > Fml("Chaos Green BL")

 Alligator Indicators

from Gary Randall -- Brunswick, Maine

Alligator Indicators - Bill William, "Trading Chaos"
----------------------------------------------
Chaos Blue BL
{Alligator Blue Balance Line - Jaw}
{13 bar smoothed average offset 8 bars}

Ref(Wilders(MP(),13),-8);
----------------------------------------------
Chaos Red BL
{Alligator Red Balance Line - Teeth}
{8 bar smoothed average offset 5 bars}

Ref(Wilders(MP(),8),-5);
----------------------------------------------
Chaos Green BL
{Alligator Green Balance Line - Lip}
{5 bar smoothed average offset 3 bars}

Ref(Wilders(MP(),5),-3);
----------------------------------------------
Chaos Gator
{ Chaos Alligator }
{ Plot as histogram }

green := Fml("Chaos Green");
red := Fml("Chaos Red");
blue := Fml("Chaos Blue");

If(green > red AND red > blue, green - blue,
If(blue > red AND red > green, green - blue, 0));
----------------------------------------------
Chaos AO
{ Chaos Awsome Oscillator - measures momentum }
( A very close approximation of MFI }
{ Plot as histogram }

Mov(MP(),5,S) - Mov(MP(),34,S);
----------------------------------------------
Chaos AO Signal Line
{ Chaos Awsome Oscillator Signal Line }
{ Plot as line over AO histogram }

Mov(Mov(MP(),5,S) - Mov(MP(),34,S),5,S)
----------------------------------------------
Chaos AC
{ Chaos Accelerator/Decelerator Oscillator }
{ Measures acceleration }
{ Plot as histogram }

Fml("Chaos AO") - Mov(Fml("Chaos AO"),5,S);
----------------------------------------------
Chaos Fractal
{ Chaos Fractal (simple version +1=Up, -1=Dn) }

High1 := Ref(HIGH,-2);
High2 := Ref(HIGH,-1);
High3 := Ref(HIGH,0);
High4 := Ref(HIGH,1);
High5 := Ref(HIGH,2);
Low1 := Ref(LOW,-2);
Low2 := Ref(LOW,-1);
Low3 := Ref(LOW,0);
Low4 := Ref(LOW,1);
Low5 := Ref(LOW,2);
Fractal :=
If((High3 > High1) AND (High3 > High2) AND (High3 > High4) AND (High3
>
High5), +1,0);

Fractal :=
If((Low3 < Low1) AND (Low3 < Low2) AND
(Low3 < Low4) AND (Low3 < Low5),
If(Fractal > 0, 0, -1), Fractal);

Fractal;


The emoticon appear in the formulas is number “8” = eight
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2006, 10:56:41 PM »

Thanks for the info. I am testing Alligator combined with MACD, Darvas and RSI (based on Trend Determination article).
Still in the developing stage. :-k
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2006, 11:56:13 PM »

Hello theng,
               I have read the book regarding the alligator by Bill William, & I like to know how to use a system to trade.



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Quote from: trends
Have any of you heard of Alligator (3 trendlines)? I like to know more about it. :-s



Trends,
          Thank for your post, u let me learn something new, after check out the internet
For the alligator, I think may be I can use this buaya to modified some of my system, or my indicator to make it
more effective or profitable.
Below are the formulas I get it from internet is for your reference will it help ?

Chaos Green BL

{Alligator Green Balance Line - Lip}
{5 bar smoothed average offset 3 bars}
Ref(Wilders(MP(),5),-3);

 

Chaos Blue BL

{Alligator Blue Balance Line - Jaw}
{13 bar smoothed average offset 8 bars}
Ref(Wilders(MP(),13),-8);

 
 

Alligator Trading System

Enter Long:

Cross(C,Fml("Chaos Green BL")) AND
Fml("Chaos Green BL") > Fml("Chaos Blue BL")


Close Long:

Cross(Fml("Chaos Green BL"),C) AND
Fml("Chaos Blue BL") > Fml("Chaos Green BL")

 Alligator Indicators

from Gary Randall -- Brunswick, Maine

Alligator Indicators - Bill William, "Trading Chaos"
----------------------------------------------
Chaos Blue BL
{Alligator Blue Balance Line - Jaw}
{13 bar smoothed average offset 8 bars}

Ref(Wilders(MP(),13),-8);
----------------------------------------------
Chaos Red BL
{Alligator Red Balance Line - Teeth}
{8 bar smoothed average offset 5 bars}

Ref(Wilders(MP(),8),-5);
----------------------------------------------
Chaos Green BL
{Alligator Green Balance Line - Lip}
{5 bar smoothed average offset 3 bars}

Ref(Wilders(MP(),5),-3);
----------------------------------------------
Chaos Gator
{ Chaos Alligator }
{ Plot as histogram }

green := Fml("Chaos Green");
red := Fml("Chaos Red");
blue := Fml("Chaos Blue");

If(green > red AND red > blue, green - blue,
If(blue > red AND red > green, green - blue, 0));
----------------------------------------------
Chaos AO
{ Chaos Awsome Oscillator - measures momentum }
( A very close approximation of MFI }
{ Plot as histogram }

Mov(MP(),5,S) - Mov(MP(),34,S);
----------------------------------------------
Chaos AO Signal Line
{ Chaos Awsome Oscillator Signal Line }
{ Plot as line over AO histogram }

Mov(Mov(MP(),5,S) - Mov(MP(),34,S),5,S)
----------------------------------------------
Chaos AC
{ Chaos Accelerator/Decelerator Oscillator }
{ Measures acceleration }
{ Plot as histogram }

Fml("Chaos AO") - Mov(Fml("Chaos AO"),5,S);
----------------------------------------------
Chaos Fractal
{ Chaos Fractal (simple version +1=Up, -1=Dn) }

High1 := Ref(HIGH,-2);
High2 := Ref(HIGH,-1);
High3 := Ref(HIGH,0);
High4 := Ref(HIGH,1);
High5 := Ref(HIGH,2);
Low1 := Ref(LOW,-2);
Low2 := Ref(LOW,-1);
Low3 := Ref(LOW,0);
Low4 := Ref(LOW,1);
Low5 := Ref(LOW,2);
Fractal :=
If((High3 > High1) AND (High3 > High2) AND (High3 > High4) AND (High3
>
High5), +1,0);

Fractal :=
If((Low3 < Low1) AND (Low3 < Low2) AND
(Low3 < Low4) AND (Low3 < Low5),
If(Fractal > 0, 0, -1), Fractal);

Fractal;


The emoticon appear in the formulas is number “8” = eight
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2006, 12:17:01 AM »

Quote from: SEE
Hello theng,
               I have read the book regarding the alligator by Bill William, & I like to know how to use a system to trade.




I’m not Bill William follower, I never read his book before, and I come to know about
Alligator is after this thread appears in bizfun. So I surf the net than I found all this formulas so I post it to this thread. Had spend some time on below formulas, found
Out that is only modified type of moving average. U use below formulas to plot it to
The prices charts u will see what is happen.

Chaos Blue BL
{Alligator Blue Balance Line - Jaw}
{13 bar smoothed average offset 8 bars}

Ref(Wilders(MP(),13),-8;
----------------------------------------------
Chaos Red BL
{Alligator Red Balance Line - Teeth}
{8 bar smoothed average offset 5 bars}

Ref(Wilders(MP(),8 ,-5);
----------------------------------------------
Chaos Green BL
{Alligator Green Balance Line - Lip}
{5 bar smoothed average offset 3 bars}

Ref(Wilders(MP(),5),-3);

Than for below formulas, if use for trade the are very much slower than what I
Need (what I’m using is very much faster)

Enter Long:

Cross(C,Fml("Chaos Green BL")) AND
Fml("Chaos Green BL") > Fml("Chaos Blue BL")


Close Long:

Cross(Fml("Chaos Green BL"),C) AND
Fml("Chaos Blue BL") > Fml("Chaos Green BL")

So all the above is not much use for me.
Below is spotmth chart with chaos blue, red, green BL formulas hope this will help.

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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2006, 01:46:39 PM »

The alligator is not very useful in our type of market, have been playing around with it for about 3 years now.

Good only for large trending markets only, otherwise the whiplase will kill.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2006, 01:28:15 PM »

I think u should read the book first and truly understand the application. Alligator is only one of the 5 dimensions of trading. If u use only the Alligator for entry signal then it is very dengerous and misleading. I strictly follow his rules for entry , especially using Fracal theory , AO and Balance Lines together with an additional indicator (ADX) & i found them very good and profitable. Last week, my latest long stocks based on his method are Time, Timecom and Tebrau. I must say that his method is not very useful for daytrader or contra player but very useful for short term trader with holding power for 1 to 2 weeks time
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2006, 10:07:35 PM »

Quote from: yeemr112
I think u should read the book first and truly understand the application. Alligator is only one of the 5 dimensions of trading. If u use only the Alligator for entry signal then it is very dengerous and misleading. I strictly follow his rules for entry , especially using Fracal theory , AO and Balance Lines together with an additional indicator (ADX) & i found them very good and profitable. Last week, my latest long stocks based on his method are Time, Timecom and Tebrau. I must say that his method is not very useful for daytrader or contra player but very useful for short term trader with holding power for 1 to 2 weeks time


Every trading system or fomuler found or established by traders sure to have their good and powerful point to use by the founder, because they know how  to make use of their system, and they know what they want, and they know their market,
as for the third party to use it, may be some time are not so perfect, that is why so many type of fomulars, trading
system was established.
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